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Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 14:57:00 -
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Vernn wrote:Tippia wrote:
It's not griefing GÇö it's just standard suicide ganking.
The purpose of a security rating is to make things a bit more difficult for the pirates, and make them legal targets for anyone to attack.
So suicide ganking isn't griefing? Lets be honest, we are splitting hairs at this point. Make things a bit more difficult for pirates? They don't seem to be having any difficulties. In fact it doesn't seem to have slowed them down at all. Make them legal targets to attack? Why would anyone attack them when they are flying around throw away ships? There is no motivation.
Because you pay me. Pay me and I will babysit your mining operation. I will bring even logistic support if you pay enough, no big deal. Anything with a negative security standing will be attack preemptive, just to keep your under-tanked miner safe. And before you mention that you do not make enough with mining to pay me and my buddies to oversee your mining ops, I strongly recommend you increase the amount of hulks in your mining ops. Another advantage will be that your orca will be utilized better this way too.
I think about 8 years ago that was the idea behind mining corporations, but well times changed any mining is less lucrative than it was than. I do not know if mining corps actually still exists. |
Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:50:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:
How are you intending to protect an well tanked hulk against 3 x 1400mm tornadoes ? Well except warp out...shout. But than all you do is providing "intel" for money. which is cool, but exploitable .. alas scam.
Are we still talking about -10 sec status targets? ;-)
Because I somehow doubt that the answer "Pew pew them with 1400mm maelstroms" was not kinda obvious in the first place. Unfortunately this is no guarantee that a hulk will survive, because the hulk pilot(s) could be slow with his warp out, those tornadoes could have a good warp in points and claiming first strike is not easy, even when using remote sensor boosters.
Still if miners stay aligned and are on the hood chances are not to bad, and 3 tornadoes for one hulk is anyway a fair deal, especially if you can loot them even when your hulks warp out in time.
And btw against 10 destroyers a single logistic should be able to make all the difference already. |
Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 15:53:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:3x1400mm tornadoes at hypothetical 11k volley .. each can shot twice... thats 22k volley x3 = 66k .. if they know the weakest resist on that hulk .. they will kill it in single volley.. GǪso stay in space where they can only shoot once, since yes, the Hulk can survive a triple volley. And as pointed out above GÇö the risk for the pirates is at this point higher than for the miner, so what's the problem?
Care to explain how you survive a 33k alpha in a hulk? |
Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:00:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Tenris Anis wrote:Care to explain how you survive a 33k alpha in a hulk? By having more than 33k EHP.
If you do not care to explain how you fit a hulk with more than 33k ehp that is fine with me. No reason to be snappy. |
Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:09:00 -
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Tippia wrote:Ana Vyr wrote:Being able to kill essentially defenseless ships is a "feature" of EvE. It's not so much a GǣfeatureGǥ as an absolute requirement to make the economy and industry and the political game workGǪ Tenris Anis wrote:If you do not care to explain how you fit a hulk with more than 33k ehp that is fine with me. No reason to be snappy. It's a bit of a squeeze, but it's entirely possible. Just fit as many tank modules as you can.
I like your style, but don-¦t you think they will smell the trap if your hulk is not shooting lasers and still is just at 31k ehp?
edit: updated to a better fitting, maybe I should use faction invus ... Oo |
Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 16:27:00 -
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Prince Kobol wrote:Tippia wrote:Tenris Anis wrote:Care to explain how you survive a 33k alpha in a hulk? By having more than 33k EHP. Any chance you can post a fit that will give a hulk 33k EHP... The best I can get is 27K EHP.. unless of course I don't fit 3 strip miners but then why bother using a hulk 
Maybe apocs with t2 miners would work in this case better, I bet you get way more EHP out of them and way more mining yield than a hulk without strip miners. And furthermore it is way more old school! |
Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:05:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners.
Pants down, post fitting.
t1 strips use whooping 6 pg less than t2.
Anyway I raise to 38k alpha with 3 tornadoes if you raise to 35k+ tank on your hulk.
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Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:18:00 -
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Jaroslav Unwanted wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) [Hulk] Damage Control II Draclira's Modified Power Diagnostic System Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender Estamel's Modified Heat Dissipation Field Estamel's Modified Invulnerability Field Caldari Navy Medium Shield Extender [empty high slot] [empty high slot] [empty high slot] Medium Core Defence Field Extender II Medium Core Defence Field Extender II 42k ehp vs EMP ...Its doable.. altho if you fit it like this expect to be droped by 8 tornadoes just the same. actually four are sufficient enough.. note require PG8 and all V
I raise in this case to shiny imps as well, and add a single faction gyro per ship. 42k+ alpha with still just 3 tornados and t2 fitting.
Worth the risk against this hulk for sure.
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Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:27:00 -
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Myrdraeus Keaunt wrote:[quote=Tenris Anis]
Guess he'd have no problem with your blockade.
Yes, you would, because the op did mention that he got constantly attacked, not just once. Your sec status goes down real fast this way. The normal out of the blue suicide was not the issue. At least at the beginning of this topic. ;-)
And once you got protection for your mining ops the next question would anyway why mine in high sec. |
Tenris Anis
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Posted - 2011.12.13 17:48:00 -
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Vimsy Vortis wrote:Prince Kobol wrote:Vimsy Vortis wrote:It's pretty trivial to get a 35k+ tank on a hulk if you're willing to use T1 strip miners. Again.. any chance you can post a fit :) It's pretty easy, you just fit a MAPC and a caldari navy invuln. People will pop you for the invuln but the chances of anyone scanning you before trying to pop you with a single BC are minimal. Or if people are really so concerned with not being blown up they really should just fly Rokh.
This works once, but after that you are for sure on watch list, and chances for a ship scanner on a suicide ship should be not so dim as you think. |
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